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Fake income proof

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I can't add to what everyone has mentioned.

One thing is to tell a ballpark figure of what you earn to the bank reps and another one is creating fake documents that are to be submitted to the bank. The later one is a big no.

I do not know if banks report all cases of attempted fraud to the authorities or even know what facilities are available for that. It is unlikely that they will report everything as it is hard to prove it and it also takes money, effort and resources. I guess it will depend on case by case basis and how they were affected or the risk they were exposed to.

But in case of some government agency like income tax department they are probably bound to do so do and you're more likely to show up in their radar rather than the bank's.

 
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I can't add to what everyone has mentioned.

One thing is to tell a ballpark figure of what you earn to the bank reps and another one is creating fake documents that are to be submitted to the bank. The later one is a big no.

I do not know if banks report all cases of attempted fraud to the authorities or even know what facilities are available for that. It is unlikely that they will report everything as it is hard to prove it and it also takes money, effort and resources. I guess it will depend on case by case basis and how they were affected or the risk they were exposed to.

But in case of some government agency like income tax department they are probably bound to do so do and you're more likely to show up in their radar rather than the bank's.

Pake jaane mein kon konsa IPC lagega jara woh batat do. jaise mere mein bola tha
 
Suppose a person declares in their application that they are working for a reputed ABC company and earning XYZ salary.

While in reality they are not employed at all or are working in some obscure company, shops etc. And they are issued a card without income documents, just on basis of declaration which is often verbal to agents.

Are not banks liable to cross check employer details before issuing cards? Like with their HR?

Due diligence not followed in this case.

I believe this often happens in entry level cards.
 
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Suppose a person declares in their application that they are working for a reputed ABC company and earning XYZ salary.

While in reality they are not employed at all or are working in some obscure company, shops etc. And they are issued a card without income documents, just on basis of declaration which is often verbal to agents.

Are not banks liable to cross check employer details before issuing cards? Like with their HR?

Due diligence not followed in this case.

I believe this often happens in entry level cards.
Weren't you attempting something similar a few days ago after watching a YouTube video? What happened back then? 🤭
 
Suppose a person declares in their application that they are working for a reputed ABC company and earning XYZ salary.

While in reality they are not employed at all or are working in some obscure company, shops etc. And they are issued a card without income documents, just on basis of declaration which is often verbal to agents.

Are not banks liable to cross check employer details before issuing cards? Like with their HR?

Due diligence not followed in this case.

I believe this often happens in entry level cards.
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Suppose a person declares in their application that they are working for a reputed ABC company and earning XYZ salary.

While in reality they are not employed at all or are working in some obscure company, shops etc. And they are issued a card without income documents, just on basis of declaration which is often verbal to agents.

Are not banks liable to cross check employer details before issuing cards? Like with their HR?

Due diligence not followed in this case.

I believe this often happens in entry level cards.

What kind of logic is this? The applicant is always liable, how would that liability be shifted to the bank?

In the worst case scenario like a case of stolen identity that's about the only way for them to be liable. Other than than that they might get scrutinized for failing to verify applicants or for some other reason but they're not liable for applicants trying to or even defrauding the bank when they were provided forged documents. The applicants are.

This is a criminal offense under IPC possibly under fraud, cheating and/or forgery.

Whether the bank missed it or not, it doesn't make it any less of an offense.

Also banks are required to maintain call recordings related to KYC and credit card applications, for compliance and regulatory purposes. These recordings can bed used in investigations and legal preceedings.
 
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What kind of logic is this? The applicant is always liable, how would that liability be shifted to the bank?

In the worst case scenario like a case of stolen identity that's about the only way for them to be liable. Other than than that they might get scrutinized for failing to verify applicants or for some other reason but they're not liable for applicants trying to or even defrauding the bank when they were provided forged documents. The applicants are.

This is a criminal offense under IPC possibly under fraud, cheating and/or forgery.

Whether the bank missed it or not, it doesn't make it any less of an offense.

Also banks are required to maintain call recordings related to KYC and credit card applications, for compliance and regulatory purposes. These recordings can bed used in investigations and legal preceedings.

what if there are no physical income documents demanded or verified, only income slab and employment details asked verbally?
 
k serious doubt, a person who has never applied for itr but got many cc... will there be a problem , no income documents asked ever??
 
what if there are no physical income documents demanded or verified, only income slab and employment details asked verbally?
So? The bank failing to verify or not asking income information or documents is probably not a legal requirement, at best a guideline from RBI.

They're certainly required to perform KYC, verify your ID and provide your tax number. I don't think you're allowed to have a credit card without a PAN number anymore, I believe is a legal requirement for the bank to collect it and report certain transactions and information to IT.

But you are legally responsible for anything arising from it and it's misuse: money laundering, using it to support terrorism or criminals, illegal purchases, hide income, I any type of fraud, whatever else you can think of...
The banks risk is just not getting their money back, but you're the one facing criminal charges for it's misuse.
 
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