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LTCG hiked to 12.5%. Big blow to investors.

No no no... That was grandfathering clause in Equity which govt exercised when introduced LTCG on Equity.😤😤

In MF, indexation benefits is still given!!😑😑

Right.. grandfathering is only for shares bought before Feb 2018.
And indexing was removed for equity a while ago but was there for debit funds.
 
Absolutely you are correct it is not available in Equity MF... In Debt MF they have removed in last budget.

But till today Indexation benefits is available on Hybrid MF.

You requested for source: https://cleartax.in/s/different-mutual-funds-taxed


I am going through the annexures to understand more... How these will change from tomorrow!!

Yaar you know na... How govt works... They put all the good words in budget speech but all the bad things are mentioned in T&C i.e. in annexures which govt releases afterwards!!😂😂
True ... already loss this year which now will work extra hard to recover...now hope no more surprise bad news...earning more in this country is a paap

Yes below is what I new about hybrids as well...i always think of <65% equity as debt and >65% as equity

And see the level of hypocrisy from the govt hiking LTCG in the name of 'simplifying tax structure' ....within equity only they have made 20 different categories of taxation so that they can give 500-1000 relaxation every year in the name of 'middle class friendly budget'

As I said i am a bhakt but kab tak overlook karun constant exploitation disguised as 'relaxation'

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As I said i am a bhakt but kab tak overlook karun constant exploitation disguised as 'relaxation'

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But Bhai.. elections are gone... Whatever has happened in results... It will be for 5 years..
This govt will run the country for next 5 years (ignoring mid-term elections as I have much more confidence in Mota Bhai than entire opposition).

It was bound to happen..
All the budget after elections doesn't give any good news to investors. In fact it was also in expected line that the govt will increase taxes on F&O.

Relax Bhai... You will also forget this like me in next couple of years... And we will be again voting for same govt in next elections also!!😂😂
 
LTCG hiked to 12.5% (from 10%) and STCG hiked to 20% (from 15%). Exemption limit set to 1.25 lakh in a year.
I remember someone in this forum mentioning to make hay while the sun shines (10 % LTCG). Its over now.

It actually depends on when was the property purchased and how much gain is there when sold.

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As you can see if the property purchased after 2009 and sold at 5x or more, new LTCG is actually better.
 
Absolutely you are correct it is not available in Equity MF... In Debt MF they have removed in last budget.

But till today Indexation benefits is available on Hybrid MF.

You requested for source: https://cleartax.in/s/different-mutual-funds-taxed


I am going through the annexures to understand more... How these will change from tomorrow!!

Yaar you know na... How govt works... They put all the good words in budget speech but all the bad things are mentioned in T&C i.e. in annexures which govt releases afterwards!!😂😂
Bro if you summarize those somewhere please share with us as well
 
It actually depends on when was the property purchased and how much gain is there when sold.

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As you can see if the property purchased after 2009 and sold at 5x or more, new LTCG is actually better.
You mean the real estate CAGR is only around 7%? I thought it would be much more. Which means your sale price in 2024-25 is likely to be many times higher than 5X for older properties
 
But Bhai.. elections are gone... Whatever has happened in results... It will be for 5 years..
This govt will run the country for next 5 years (ignoring mid-term elections as I have much more confidence in Mota Bhai than entire opposition).

It was bound to happen..
All the budget after elections doesn't give any good news to investors. In fact it was also in expected line that the govt will increase taxes on F&O.

Relax Bhai... You will also forget this like me in next couple of years... And we will be again voting for same govt in next elections also!!😂😂

Just before next election in the budget, govt will remove LTCG and STCG, increase limits and make ppl happy. Everyone will be happy and will forget the last 5 years!
 
They attracted mutual fund investment by giving them benefit. Govt aim is not to shift money from stock markets and back to banks. Banks already have enough of money. The more money stays out of FDs and move to market, less pressure on banks as interest outflows stops. Govt is aiming to reduce or discourage people from risking their life savings to more safe zones. America allowed people to use their money as they want. Result is 90% Americans today are under huge debts and can't even pay on time. Result: banks went down the drain. It was America that recovered with drug money. We are India and we have made our lives on savings. We can't go gaga over few years of stock market gains no matter how good these are and put a big portion into a machine that burns money at faster rate that it provides.

People will say, this is my money and I have all the right to where I use it. But at same time when people will start committing suicide or start leveraging their position with the money they don't own, real problem will start. After 2008 financial fiasco, Americans in large numbers died or shifted to cheaper places lead to fall in labour. America and Europe somehow migarted cheap labour in large number from Asia and get back on track. Who will give us cheap labour if a turnmoil hits our economy? No one.

So Govt ko har taraf sochna hai. Ab ghar ke bade bhi yahi seekh dete hai ki land or gold mein zyada lagayo aur markets mein 25% se zyada nahi. But trends are showing people especially from middle class are blindly putting money in markets unaware of fact that the same markets will correct 50% in next 5-7 years and they will then take a pledge not to invest back in markets again.

Har cheez apne nazariye se nahi dekhni chahiye. Agar aage gadda hai aur koi tumhe rok raha hai toh tum apni freedom aur liberalization ka use larle agar khud ko gairna chahtey ho toh beshaq jayo khade mein.

0.01 se 0.02% STT hone se gareeb toh ni ho rahe log. 5% log bhi actual mein profit nahi bana rahe markets se. Yeh kadwa sach hai. Jo bana rahe hai unko tax nahi dena toh jaake foreign mein settle ho jayo aur flat 20% tax dedo.

Bitter truth is most of the new investors who came to market due to Covid saga knows nothing about how stock market works. They haven't seen the dark side of it yet. But don't worry. Markets have burned hands in centuries and only retails have lost bigger than rich. History will again teach this new investors a lesson that they will be begging on streets sooner than later. When time is shining, it makes people blind and only when clouds take over, real truth gets unlocked. Sab ke sab bakc*** apne bil mein ghusenge agle 4-5 saal mein.

Gold bubble created in India will burst in some days. All those who were talking of gold hitting 1 Lakh this year are going underground now. Same way this market bubble that has created in India in last 4 years will go burst once Modi govt goes away or even if somehow I.N.D.I.A forms a govt before 2029.
Last line hard hitting. But that's the dark reality.
 

Bro, nifty50 should not be taken as a benchmark. There are 50 stocks that make up the nifty where each stock has a %weightage. Whenever a stock performs bad or if that company is under stress that stock is removed from nifty50 and another performing stock takes its place.
Fundamentally if you are always going to keep changing your data points, and always keep removing stocks and replacing with good performing stocks, nifty will always go up!!
 
Bro, nifty50 should not be taken as a benchmark. There are 50 stocks that make up the nifty where each stock has a %weightage. Whenever a stock performs bad or if that company is under stress that stock is removed from nifty50 and another performing stock takes its place.
Fundamentally if you are always going to keep changing your data points, and always keep removing stocks and replacing with good performing stocks, nifty will always go up!!
Its a comparison between different asset classes in India and their CAGRs over long duration such as 20yrs.
And while comparing you have to take a benchmark into consideration.
Even for real estate its a benchmark. As different cities will have different ROI.
 
Now, given that the current Government is keen on increasing taxes, it's a high time now that People should learn Tax harvesting too, so that they can balance out and save as much as they can in taxes.
 
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