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I know this article may hit someone negatively, but this is to those who earn less than a 1 Lac (net) a month.

If you have not read my previous article on - Advice to young working professionals who are starting their credit journey. (Advice no one asked for; CIBIL 802)
- Go and check it out. If you are new to the credit game.

Now on with this article. Note: I am no writer, and this could be a poorly written article.

Why am I discouraging any prospective premium credit card seeker, whose monthly net income is less than 1Lac, from applying for such premium cards? Simple answer: Because you cannot afford such cards.

Over the weekend, I came across multiple articles on this forum, wherein OPs are asking how they can get premium cards (such as Amex Plat, HDFC Infinia/DCB, Axis Magnus/Reserve) while their monthly income does not support the lifestyle needed to reap the benefits of such premium cards (that usually come with higher-than-average annual membership fees).

I don’t want to sugar coat harsh realities of life. Your hard-earned money is to maximize your wealth and not to waste it for illogical reasons. I know this is such a materialistic thing to say but so is expensing using credit on things you may not even need. We all have been taught about the difference between needs and wants early in our teenage years but somehow, we forget such lessons in our adulthood.

As rational people, we have one simple job – maximize our wealth. India’s stupid high double taxation is another story for another article.

Now coming to the numbers:

If you are making less than INR 1L a month, then you should not be wasting your efforts on getting premium-tier cards because your monthly expense may not support you to reach the reward points needed to satisfactorily reap the benefits of premium cards – yeah except for airport lounges – which are also available on almost all mid-tier cards.

Time gone will never comeback. A rupee spent will never come back. So, respect your time and money well. Don’t spend if you don’t need to just for the sake of reward points.

For ease of calculation let’s say you make 1L a month. Following is how I think you should manage your expenses:

Monthly Allocation
Range %
Investment Target
35.0%​
40.0%​
Expected Expenses
30.0%​
35.0%​
Misc. Expense
15.0%​
20.0%​
Liquid Savings - Rainy Day Fund
20.0%​
5.0%​
Total Income
100.0%​
100.0%​

With an expected monthly expense fund of 30-35% = INR 30k-35k. How many of your expected expenses do you think you’ll be able to make using your credit card? Think wisely if you can even achieve certain milestones?

You should not fall into unnecessary spending loop. Read this article - Psychology of Credit Card Spending: Understanding Overspending and Strategies to Stop It

I am going to keep this article open-ended and let members of this community comment and share their thoughts on what they think the right type of credit card should be for someone with maximum monthly expense of 30k-35k. Maybe stick to a good mid-tier card?

1RC
 
If One can get premium cards as LTF eg. Infinia/DCB, ICICI Emarald Supphire etc. Then Whats The Issue?
As per me , one shouldn’t try for LTF or FYF , if you can’t afford the normal payment plan of the card.
Most of these cards have high spend based benefits in form of monthly milestones , etc. once you have the card you will sooner or later try to hit the milestone because everyone else is doing the same, and in the end would fall into debt trap.
Airport lounge is a overhyped feature for credit cards , owing to the crowd and queues one would prefer to skip it most of the time.
Free tee off’s at golf is again a marketting gimmick , something which 95% of the users would never use.
Airport luxury experience , is a glance into luxury lifestyle , the freebies would end and then you will start taking paid service same with luxury airport drive.
There are some simple financial principles

Take a loan only when you don’t actually need a loan
Buy a luxury item only if you can buy it twice
 
As per me , one shouldn’t try for LTF or FYF , if you can’t afford the normal payment plan of the card.
Most of these cards have high spend based benefits in form of monthly milestones , etc. once you have the card you will sooner or later try to hit the milestone because everyone else is doing the same, and in the end would fall into debt trap.
Airport lounge is a overhyped feature for credit cards , owing to the crowd and queues one would prefer to skip it most of the time.
Free tee off’s at golf is again a marketting gimmick , something which 95% of the users would never use.
Airport luxury experience , is a glance into luxury lifestyle , the freebies would end and then you will start taking paid service same with luxury airport drive.
There are some simple financial principles

Take a loan only when you don’t actually need a loan
Buy a luxury item only if you can buy it twice
Is all these lines buy your experinace.. 🙂 amazing
 
As per me , one shouldn’t try for LTF or FYF , if you can’t afford the normal payment plan of the card.
Most of these cards have high spend based benefits in form of monthly milestones , etc. once you have the card you will sooner or later try to hit the milestone because everyone else is doing the same, and in the end would fall into debt trap.
Airport lounge is a overhyped feature for credit cards , owing to the crowd and queues one would prefer to skip it most of the time.
Free tee off’s at golf is again a marketting gimmick , something which 95% of the users would never use.
Airport luxury experience , is a glance into luxury lifestyle , the freebies would end and then you will start taking paid service same with luxury airport drive.
There are some simple financial principles

Take a loan only when you don’t actually need a loan
Buy a luxury item only if you can buy it twice
Another way to look at this is,the poeple who cant afford super premium cards and buy it and convert their spends to emi are cash cows for these banks.If they stop spending and become more rational as a consumer it would lead to banks profits through this products going down eventually leading to devaluations of these cards
 
Scenario is changing. It is relatively easy now to get credit cards. I remember 6 years ago, to get HDFC Cashback card was tough. May be that was my first card,so it might had took long time.

But now am little financially stable.Have limited premium and supermium card .Every day banks lucrative offers are pouring. But I can't fall into the trap.

So getting a card easy, banks fool us to spend more. But one should be wise enough to refrain from unnecessary spending.
 
Completely agree on the post, it's better to focus on your growth.
Rewards are like short term gains for your short term effort. In return you're compromising your long term growth which can fuel these types of short term rewards.
When I learnt about magnus, I wanted to get the same but was worried of not hitting the milestone every month even I could easily pay off the bill. I don't see myself spending this much.
Although I have pushed all my spends to the cards and now I'm hitting it every month. But I don't see it as a viable option for just sake of rotating money. Rewards should be built around your life not the other way around.
 
Okay let me be the devils advocate and argue against this.

Out of the all the cards you mentioned in your list, I dont agree with your reasoning for HDFC Infinia and Axis Magnus for the simple reason that they give back majority of the amount paid for fees as vouchers or points to spend. They are very versatile cards and not co-branded to any brand. One only has to recover GST if they want to be in profit.

But I would say why even think about returns only. Are you saying that people are not allowed to spend 20k plus GST for aspirational things in their life in a year? People are allowed to spend some amount of their discretionary spend on whatever they want. The mentality of saving a huge amount of money for a retirement gets people nowhere but unfulfilled dreams which cannot be completed when they become too old for it.

Lets even think from the perspective of returns. The reward multipliers offered by these 2 cards are sufficient that one can recover fees and GST for normal spends like food, clothes, insurances, online shopping, NPS investment etc.

Even if credit cards are a trap, the fact is we are enjoying these returns from these cards as some sucker is getting screwed by the bank. The only hard rule to follow is to never spend more than what people earn in a month to avoid such a fate. Its about being logical enough to use credit cards to our advantage and not our detriment.
I am not refuting your POV.

But let me highlight one important part of my article, which is targeted to certain pool of credit applicants - "If your monthly income is less than 1Lac".

If someone's monthly income is less than 1Lacs (under current economic condition, 1Lac is not much in metro cities), they are usually out of the target criteria HDFC has for Infinia and Axis has for Magnus/Reserve. I understand that ultimately, it's a matter of recovering the GST component of the fee but one also needs to understand that such cards on a long-term basis are simply a rewards game based on your capacity to spend. One may need to spend beyond certain threshold on a regular basis to reap the actual benefit. Even with a max expense of let's say 50-70k a month, how much do you think, one can rationally generate good # reward points.

For such individuals, a cashback card would be more suited to meet their expense needs and probably they can utilize their income for investments or other luxuries of usual life (family), be it for retirement or for their own growth. I am simply talking about wealth maximization for them. They can experience a burst of luxury using any premium card for the short run but for long run, they should focus on being a wealth maximizer for themselves. I hope my rationale provides more insight to where I am coming from.

1RC
 
You know what they say, different strokes for different folks. Who cares if you can’t afford a super premium card? Live a little! It’s not like we’re all logical robots who make perfect economic decisions all the time. Maybe splurging on a fancy card brings more joy than being a responsible saver. And hey, if you’re saving just to buy a super premium card later on… well, why wait? Life’s short, enjoy it while you can! 😂
 
I 100% agree with this thread. Super premium cards should only complement your lifestyle. If you are not a high-earner, holding these cards will only tempt you to spend more money than you normally would have without the card. In the process of utilising your reward points, you end up staying at luxury properties or flying out on vacation, which will entail high expenses associated with such travels. Enjoying opulence is good, but one should keep in mind the high costs that also come with the luxury lifestyle.
 
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You know what they say, different strokes for different folks. Who cares if you can’t afford a super premium card? Live a little! It’s not like we’re all logical robots who make perfect economic decisions all the time. Maybe splurging on a fancy card brings more joy than being a responsible saver. And hey, if you’re saving just to buy a super premium card later on… well, why wait? Life’s short, enjoy it while you can! 😂
The last line that you said,I agree with you 100%.
But when you have financial responsibilities i:e family,parents to take care of , children to feed i dont think you can be able to live life king size.
Life puts you in situations where you have to end up giving something and if in these times you arent financially responsible it will go a long way to affect you.
Anyways this was my 2 cents on this topic.But whatever suits you go for it,because anyways you are the banks cash cows in the end,maybe if you end up being fiscally responsible,the banks may have to cut down on credit card perks
 
The last line that you said,I agree with you 100%.
But when you have financial responsibilities i:e family,parents to take care of , children to feed i dont think you can be able to live life king size.
Life puts you in situations where you have to end up giving something and if in these times you arent financially responsible it will go a long way to affect you.
Anyways this was my 2 cents on this topic.But whatever suits you go for it,because anyways you are the banks cash cows in the end,maybe if you end up being fiscally responsible,the banks may have to cut down on credit card perks
Whether you’re a king with a super premium card or a jester without one, don’t let the banks milk you like a cash cow. Own your decisions and their consequences like a boss!👑💳🐄🙂
 
Free tee off’s at golf is again a marketting gimmick , something which 95% of the users would never use.
Is it because they are not good experience with the limited free lessons or games with credit card or is it because most of the people are not into golf. Asking because I would be starting a job in tier 1 city in 3 months and a lot of client meetings do happen over golf games, so was thinking of getting a premium card to use for free golf lessons.
 
not an issue for LTF cards.
For fyf cards it is still an issue if the customer doesnt cancel it due to the benefits he is receiving and the bank doesnt waive off the fees.
also until now buying super premium cards annd using that to buy tata cliq viuchers then buying gold and selling that gold made sense and would work if it hadnt been patched.
Now on a 30k in hand for spends which super premium credit card can you reap the most benefit out of?
Average Neo/Buzz reply waiting for someone to catch bait
 
Is it because they are not good experience with the limited free lessons or games with credit card or is it because most of the people are not into golf. Asking because I would be starting a job in tier 1 city in 3 months and a lot of client meetings do happen over golf games, so was thinking of getting a premium card to use for free golf lessons.
Only the lesson/session is free. The equipment/cart has its charges. Most people come only for the free buffet. 😅
 
Is it because they are not good experience with the limited free lessons or games with credit card or is it because most of the people are not into golf. Asking because I would be starting a job in tier 1 city in 3 months and a lot of client meetings do happen over golf games, so was thinking of getting a premium card to use for free golf lessons.
I hate to break it to you my friend, but no "actual" business gets done over golf in India. Someone is selling you something. Others can chime in from their personal experience.

@Walter White has put it right. You'll know when you actually hit the course. Personal advice to you @Pankhuri If you are not a golfer or has zero interest. Just say no and ignore this golf feature.
Only the lesson/session is free. The equipment/cart has its charges. Most people come only for the free buffet. 😅
 
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I hate to break it to you my friend, but no "actual" business gets done over golf in India. Someone is selling you something. Others can chime in from their personal experience.
It's more like most of the clients are old money or foreigners and they have their outings and what not. So either I accompny them or in few months I would be rotated to less lucrative clients. No one is selling me anything.
 
It's more like most of the clients are old money or foreigners and they have their outings and what not. So either I accompny them or in few months I would be rotated to less lucrative clients. No one is selling me anything.
"Old Money" or Expats - Sounds like you are in UHNI / Family Office wealth management?

Anyway, I am not sure how your current client engagements works but usually businesses give corporate card to their employees for such expenses. You may want to explore those cards too.
 
Is it me or does OP sound like he’s worried about diminishing returns on so called Premium cards. It seems they are basing their opinion on common sentiment that customers are careless with their money which is the narrative built around Americans and their dependence on CC’s.

Also, I couldn’t find any substantial argument by OP on why someone who has the propensity to spend 30-35K on CC shouldn’t just smartly accumulate gift cards for their recurring spends. Even 25k spend monthly spend is going to get them net gain. Yearly gold purchase or wedding gifts bought using gift cards would go a long way than just getting a dummy CC. There are more cards in the market other than Axis Reserve and Magnus. It’s not like everyone and their grandma is getting CCs issued. CC penetration in Indian market is about 2% from what I’ve read so it’s pretty evident people are not lining up to get Premium cards when they don’t air travel, stay in Hotel chains or have an appetite for luxury.
 
I am not refuting your POV.

But let me highlight one important part of my article, which is targeted to certain pool of credit applicants - "If your monthly income is less than 1Lac".

If someone's monthly income is less than 1Lacs (under current economic condition, 1Lac is not much in metro cities), they are usually out of the target criteria HDFC has for Infinia and Axis has for Magnus/Reserve. I understand that ultimately, it's a matter of recovering the GST component of the fee but one also needs to understand that such cards on a long-term basis are simply a rewards game based on your capacity to spend. One may need to spend beyond certain threshold on a regular basis to reap the actual benefit. Even with a max expense of let's say 50-70k a month, how much do you think, one can rationally generate good # reward points.

For such individuals, a cashback card would be more suited to meet their expense needs and probably they can utilize their income for investments or other luxuries of usual life (family), be it for retirement or for their own growth. I am simply talking about wealth maximization for them. They can experience a burst of luxury using any premium card for the short run but for long run, they should focus on being a wealth maximizer for themselves. I hope my rationale provides more insight to where I am coming from.

1RC
Cardmaven does a good job simulating the returns when somebody does expenditure using Magnus cards. The numbers can be simulated for the kind of spends you are saying. Please find below the link. It opens at a number of about 38k spends in a month for me.

But apart from this one can buy vouchers for major spends with 5x for Amazon Shopping, Flipkart, Ola, Reliance Smart Superstores, Spencers, Swiggy & Zomato and 10x for Apollo Pharmacy, Bookmyshow, Domino's, KFC & Myntra from Axis Gyftr. I have written only the major brands especially used in day to day life.

With spending of INR 10000 with 5x and 10x, one can get 3000 and 6000 points respectively which translates to INR 2400 and INR 4800 respectively in ITC or Accor. A total of INR 7200 on a spend of INR 20000 with half in 5x and half in 10x.

Do a spend of 40000 in a similar fashion in a year and you get INR 14400. You can use the points transferred for a nice dinner or even economy rooms in a hotel once or twice a year. With this much only, you have recovered the cost of the full card. Other benefits and Tata Cliq voucher is apart from this.

You can run the numbers for Infinia. With a max expense of 50k-70k in a month and one can certainly get returns better than cashback ones at similar numbers. Frugal people can make use of these cards like never before. Its just the bank does not make it available for general customers.
 
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Is it me or does OP sound like he’s worried about diminishing returns on so called Premium cards. It seems they are basing their opinion on common sentiment that customers are careless with their money which is the narrative built around Americans and their dependence on CC’s.

Also, I couldn’t find any substantial argument by OP on why someone who has the propensity to spend 30-35K on CC shouldn’t just smartly accumulate gift cards for their recurring spends. Even 25k spend monthly spend is going to get them net gain. Yearly gold purchase or wedding gifts bought using gift cards would go a long way than just getting a dummy CC. There are more cards in the market other than Axis Reserve and Magnus. It’s not like everyone and their grandma is getting CCs issued. CC penetration in Indian market is about 2% from what I’ve read so it’s pretty evident people are not lining up to get Premium cards when they don’t air travel, stay in Hotel chains or have an appetite for luxury.
The point that poeple are careless with their money is very apt for india as well.You would see thousands of people buying a new iphone using their hdfc card which gives them discount of 5-6k .
What majority of the card holders they dont know is that they have to repay it before due date so when they recive a phone call regarding emi conversion they happily convert it wihtout knwoing that the interest is gonaa be a huge burden.
Also if you think 30k net spends can get you the maximum benefits ona a super premium card nobody is stopping you from buying it.
It was the opinion of the guy who started the thread that yours spends should justify the fees and not vice versa.
It is not a nobality to go into debt just to reach milestones on credit cards.You would unknowingly be funding your own rewards in that case.
You should consider a card as a 45 day alternative for your own money because of the discount,rewards thats it.
Not that the bank is giving free money
 
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