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Marriott vs Accor points

You need to stay 50 nights at Marriott (40 if you're holding HDFC Marriott card) and 60 nights at Accor to reach Platinum. I'm not sure if you can get Accor night credits from credit cards; if you're able to do that, it's even better. If you are in fact traveling for these many nights but dividing the stays between the two, then you're missing out on a lot by not putting everything on a single brand. Even with Accor Platinum, you unlock (2) Suite Night Upgrades, and most importantly lounge access. This can reduce your drinks and dinner cost significantly. And each Suite Night Upgrade can be easily worth ₹20k, even more at resorts.

In a good year, my average is 33-33-33. 33% paid nights, 33% award nights, and 33% bonus nights. Bonus nights include 10 from HDFC Marriott card and the rest from Marriott's Q1 promotion where they give double elite night credits on all paid stays. So to become Platinum in Marriott, you'd need to do 17 paid nights and 17 award nights on average in a calendar year.

I'm able to use points only on half of stays, where I'm getting good redemption value. And quite honestly, I don't mind paying for the remaining stays where I'm not getting redemption deals, considering that these stays don't cost a lot and the earnings rate is very generous. I booked base room without breakfast at Fairfield Agra earlier this year for ₹4.5k a night. Because of my status, I got complimentary breakfast and was upgraded to a suite that costs ₹10k a night, and earned 6.8k points (base + elite bonus + Marriott's promo) in return. All in all, this is a good deal, considering that there are no other hotels in the city willing to give me a suite for ₹4.5k a night. You'll surely find cheaper Accor hotels here as long as you're going for the base room, but one major difference in both is that Accor helps you save money by providing limited benefits, whereas Marriott offers you elevated benefits while keeping the price higher. And I have received so many massive upgrades with Marriott. My reservation in JW Mauritius (base room booked using 47k points a night) was upgraded from ₹80k a night room to a ₹187k a night suite. This is one of the reasons I don't take pricing of both at face value, because once you're done scratching the surface, you'll find a lot of other key differences which makes Marriott far more luxurious, rewarding, and exclusive than Accor.

drsel did mention yesterday that Marriott is overpriced in Mara. Fairmont Mara will cost you what, 60k points on a good night in peak season? JW Mara will easily cost you 120k points a night in the same season. But to really compare JW Mara and Fairmont Mara, you have to see what both these resorts offer. Both are all-inclusive hotels, includes game drives and all. But no one talks about the exclusivity of the resort and game drives. Fairmont has 20 Land Cruisers between 51 rooms, JW has 12 Land Cruisers between 21 rooms, and they have ordered 12 more. Which means starting from sometime next year, JW will have private safari vehicle for all guests, compared to Fairmont where a vehicle is shared between 2-3 rooms if the hotel is running at full capacity. Fairmont Mara does offer private safari, but the cost of that will easily fill the difference between that of two hotels. We were lucky enough to have a private vehicle to ourselves on our last day, so I can tell that there is good difference between shared safari and private safari. You're pretty much free to do whatever you want on private safari, and the guides are very accommodating. A hotel will always cost more when it's offering exclusivity.
Very detailed and informative post. With such knowledge and experience, you should have come and joined TF a lot earlier. How did you acquire such knowledge without being a member of Technofino..? I myself have gained knowledge in credit cards mainly after joining TF.
 
Very detailed and informative post. With such knowledge and experience, you should have come and joined TF a lot earlier. How did you acquire such knowledge without being a member of Technofino..? I myself have gained knowledge in credit cards mainly after joining TF.
With due respect to the Forum and the information available on the forum, TF is an extremely new forum and all these things are decades old. Those who have surfed the internet on this topic gained knowledge long back and there are many who have been playing these games for over a decade now. Its grabbed Social Media's attention post Covid and more so with the Magnus era.
 
How I earn my Platinum Elite and above ?

2023
# Points Stays with and w/o Amex bonus transfer help
# Cash + Points when points stays aren’t valuable
# Cash stays when bonuses are on and or when revenue rates are low

# Strategic mattress runs using points towards the end of the year, when hotels in business areas are craving for occupancy

# Optimising Bonus Elite Night Offers (There was one in March)

2024 onwards
MB card gives you 11 nights.
Another 39 only to do for the year!

10 years as Platinum Elite or above + 600 nights and you become Lifetime Platinum Elite 🙂
No more mattress runs after that !
Reach Platinum and you can choose 5 Elite nights to be added to the current year.
Reach Titanium and choose another 5 nights.

How Platinum Elite* mostly works for me?

When I need to work with my team during some times of the year, I book for 3 of us using points.
Since this is a hotel I do most of my stays at
# Invariably get almost the top most suite in the property
# Even early morning check ins
# BF for 3
# Lounge access for 3 with lots of flexibility, in terms of time and choice of drinks. Plus lounge food is almost good enough for dinner.
# 6pm+ check out
# All for 9K-15K per avg points rate per night. Not to mention 5th night free benefit, which I usually muck up while booking 🙁

Definitely an outlier by a mile maybe 🙂.
But it makes business sense for me.

Just putting it out there in favour of Marriott and my mostly meaningful experience with them.

Anecdotally I’ve heard of Marriott properties across the board being better than Accor.

Planning to give Accor a shot this year, more from the value window.

The experiences at JWs, St. Regiss, Ritzs, Westins especially are worth multiple revisits for memories, value and gloat!
 
How I earn my Platinum Elite and above ?

2023
# Points Stays with and w/o Amex bonus transfer help
# Cash + Points when points stays aren’t valuable
# Cash stays when bonuses are on and or when revenue rates are low

# Strategic mattress runs using points towards the end of the year, when hotels in business areas are craving for occupancy

# Optimising Bonus Elite Night Offers (There was one in March)

2024 onwards
MB card gives you 11 nights.
Another 39 only to do for the year!

10 years as Platinum Elite or above + 600 nights and you become Lifetime Platinum Elite 🙂
No more mattress runs after that !
Reach Platinum and you can choose 5 Elite nights to be added to the current year.
Reach Titanium and choose another 5 nights.

How Platinum Elite* mostly works for me?

When I need to work with my team during some times of the year, I book for 3 of us using points.
Since this is a hotel I do most of my stays at
# Invariably get almost the top most suite in the property
# Even early morning check ins
# BF for 3
# Lounge access for 3 with lots of flexibility, in terms of time and choice of drinks. Plus lounge food is almost good enough for dinner.
# 6pm+ check out
# All for 9K-15K per avg points rate per night. Not to mention 5th night free benefit, which I usually muck up while booking 🙁

Definitely an outlier by a mile maybe 🙂.
But it makes business sense for me.

Just putting it out there in favour of Marriott and my mostly meaningful experience with them.

Anecdotally I’ve heard of Marriott properties across the board being better than Accor.

Planning to give Accor a shot this year, more from the value window.

The experiences at JWs, St. Regiss, Ritzs, Westins especially are worth multiple revisits for memories, value and gloat!
Marriott also sends personalized bonus Elite Night offers, I received one in Q4 of 2023 which enabled me to achieve Platinum.
 
A mattress run is a strategy used by frequent travelers, especially those participating in hotel loyalty programs, to earn hotel points, elite status, or other benefits by booking and staying at hotels without needing to use the room for its intended purpose. The goal is to accumulate nights or stays quickly and affordably to reach higher status levels within a hotel chain's loyalty program.

People typically use this technique when they are close to achieving a status tier or earning a significant bonus, such as free upgrades or extra points, and the cost of booking the room (sometimes without actually staying) is outweighed by the value of the rewards they'll receive.
 
# Strategic mattress runs using points towards the end of the year, when hotels in business areas are craving for occupancy
1) So how does this mattress run actually work?
2) What is the rationale for wasting money?
3) Is it really good value?
 
1) So how does this mattress run actually work?
2) What is the rationale for wasting money?
3) Is it really good value?
I can explain this based on my personal scenario:

  • Current Status: Platinum
  • Nights this year: 48
  • Upcoming stay (corporate travel): 8 nights
  • Total nights by end of October: 56 (Platinum status retained until the end of 2025)
Once I reach 50 nights, I plan to select the 5 Elite Night Credits as my Annual Choice Benefit, which will bring my total to 61 nights.

Additionally, I have the HDFC Marriott Bonvoy card, which will add 10 elite nights upon renewal in November.

  • Total nights in November: 71
  • Nights required for Titanium status: 75
Since I don’t have any additional stays planned, I will need to either redeem points or book a revenue stay for 4 more nights to achieve Titanium status.

The main advantages of reaching Titanium status for me are:

  • Soft landing to Platinum in 2026 (if I don’t requalify for Platinum)
  • 5 Suite Night Upgrades
Note: This plan depends on HDFC crediting the 10 elite nights on time after my card renewal in November.
 
1) So how does this mattress run actually work?
2) What is the rationale for wasting money?
3) Is it really good value?
Mattress runs are cheap points or cash stays to achieve or get closer to elite status.

Now, wasting vs value vs experiences vs future investment are strictly relative.
So I would be careful about making such blanket nomenclaturing. !

For some, economy works, for others business class or a mix of eco and biz work.

I’ve already laid out the value I’ve received and the potential value for current spends that I envisage,
via points or cash.

There are times you get .60P value for MB points at face value, but the perks take the value beyond few rupees.

Someone may only look at face value.
That’s their call.

But I’ve used MB points for one rupee and beyond even w/o considering perks.
So it boils down to how well one knows the P&M game, deploys points to derive value and gets plain lucky !

End of the day, for me it more than averages out, this way or that and I’m happy with that. 🙂
 
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I can explain this based on my personal scenario:

  • Current Status: Platinum
  • Nights this year: 48
  • Upcoming stay (corporate travel): 8 nights
  • Total nights by end of October: 56 (Platinum status retained until the end of 2025)
Once I reach 50 nights, I plan to select the 5 Elite Night Credits as my Annual Choice Benefit, which will bring my total to 61 nights.

Additionally, I have the HDFC Marriott Bonvoy card, which will add 10 elite nights upon renewal in November.

  • Total nights in November: 71
  • Nights required for Titanium status: 75
Since I don’t have any additional stays planned, I will need to either redeem points or book a revenue stay for 4 more nights to achieve Titanium status.

The main advantages of reaching Titanium status for me are:

  • Soft landing to Platinum in 2026 (if I don’t requalify for Platinum)
  • 5 Suite Night Upgrades
Note: This plan depends on HDFC crediting the 10 elite nights on time after my card renewal in November.
You might want to check this about soft landing.
 

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I can explain this based on my personal scenario:

  • Current Status: Platinum
  • Nights this year: 48
  • Upcoming stay (corporate travel): 8 nights
  • Total nights by end of October: 56 (Platinum status retained until the end of 2025)
Once I reach 50 nights, I plan to select the 5 Elite Night Credits as my Annual Choice Benefit, which will bring my total to 61 nights.

Additionally, I have the HDFC Marriott Bonvoy card, which will add 10 elite nights upon renewal in November.

  • Total nights in November: 71
  • Nights required for Titanium status: 75
Since I don’t have any additional stays planned, I will need to either redeem points or book a revenue stay for 4 more nights to achieve Titanium status.

The main advantages of reaching Titanium status for me are:

  • Soft landing to Platinum in 2026 (if I don’t requalify for Platinum)
  • 5 Suite Night Upgrades
Note: This plan depends on HDFC crediting the 10 elite nights on time after my card renewal in November.
Just curious question... how many of 48 nights are personal vs corporate (i.e paid by company)
 
Just curious question... how many of 48 nights are personal vs corporate (i.e paid by company)
Approximately 75% of my travel is corporate. We are permitted to arrange our own travel and submit the expenses for reimbursement, provided that we stay within the approved travel budget.
 
Very detailed and informative post. With such knowledge and experience, you should have come and joined TF a lot earlier. How did you acquire such knowledge without being a member of Technofino..? I myself have gained knowledge in credit cards mainly after joining TF.
I've been into award travel for quite some years now, but only got across TF recently.
 
There are times you get .60P value for MB points at face value, but the perks take the value beyond few rupees.
This is very important to understand. There's a lot of difference between the room you book with points as a Member, Silver, Gold; and as a Platinum or Titanium elite.

I'll share a recent example. Two weeks ago, I booked a room at Surat Marriott hotel for 10k points. Cash rate was pretty much the same. On paper it looks like a 1:1 booking, but the actual value I got was quite higher than that. My room was upgraded to a suite (costs ₹20k), I got complimentary breakfast, complimentary lounge access that I did not use because no alcohol in Gujarat, and on top of all this I got 1k bonus points as part of welcome amenity.
 
There seems to be a waitlist, how does it actually work?
A friend referred me and I requested access on the website. Someone called, explained everything and whitelisted my number. They only have paid subscriptions and i took the cheapest 999 plan. So far happy with it. Clutter free. I really like the daily notifications and weekly NL.

I think they have opened up on Android recently. A friend downloaded the app directly and was able to subscribe to plans immediately. No waitlist. Please check.
 
1) So how does this mattress run actually work?
2) What is the rationale for wasting money?
3) Is it really good value?
Question 2 & 3 are contradictory thoughts that you have to get over with. The moment you start off with the thought of 'Wasting Money', you lose the insights.

I did a 10 Nights Mattress Run this year to achieve Platinum Status. The amount I spent was recovered in just Breakfasts in 3 Nights in Europe for 3 People in the next couple of Months, all of which were booked on Points.

Later used FNA from HDFC Marriott Bonvoy Card at Westin Powai to celebrate friend's Birthday. Booked two rooms (1 with FNA & 1 With 15,000 Points) Got Breakfast & Lounge access for all 4 People. Add to it, we then take out own Alcohol bottles (Purchased from Duty-Free) and enjoy further drinks in the room post the lounge hours. With upgrades to suite most times, this setup becomes just fantastic. (Couple of Images attached)

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Already have another 3 Nights booked on Points for 3 Adults in the coming weeks where the room is upgraded to the Executive Floor. So once again, Breakfast and Lounge Access. For someone who parties a good amount with friends and ends up spending a decent amount on Alcohol, Lounge access actually saves a significant amount. Restaurants & Alcohol arent anywhere near cheap in Mumbai 😆

P.S. - This Platinum Status stays till February 2026. Should be doing at least another 15-20 nights on Points from now till then. So its almost a 4-5x Returns of the money I spent in the Mattress run.

Its all about understanding your requirement, doing the mental calculations and taking the plunge.

If you think, the calculations don't work out in your favour, stick to Accor.
 
I just want to say to people reading this thread, it sounds all glam and glitz and makes you want to be platinum, titanium etc but keep in mind these are folks who are travelling for work and that is quite helpful in achieving those target.

People who travel for leisure once or twice an year wont get to that level, so as caution don't chase after it and spend unnecessarily, it's not worth it unless you actually have a need to stay in hotels that much.

Ghar pe mattress hai, toh idhar udhar mat bhago, unless usme khatmal(bedbugs) ho, toh jala do and go stay at a marriot near you for a few days. ✌️
 
Marriott Titanium and Ambassador may please take note.

Aeroplan 25K Status Match has dropped.

Both T & A can do at 1:1 from Aeroplan to Marriott.

Status without flying unlike the Krisflyer requirement.

KF: I had status matched but missed achieving the 4 sectors within 6 months requirement.

Just in time during anniversary month flying 🙂

Deal...not sweet possibly.
 
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Marriott Titanium and Ambassador may please take note.

Aeroplan 25K Status Match has dropped.

Both T & A can do at 1:1 to Aeroplan 😉

Status without flying unlike the Krisflyer requirement.

KF: I had status matched but missed achieving the 4 sectors within 6 months requirement.

Just in time during anniversary month flying 🙂

Sweet deal.
Does any airline or hotel match status with MSC cruises?
 
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