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Weird Indian obsession with UPI

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Lobogris

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I can never understand why Indians are so obsessed with UPI. It's ok for small payments like Rs20 at a small vendor who doesn't accept cards. At larger shops, where you can simply tap your credit or debit card in a second, I see educated, well off looking people fumble with UPI apps, entering the amount, then their pin and often the scan doesn't work or the payment doesn't go through because of cellular network inside the store and so on. So much time wasted along with the hassle. Yesterday, I was behind a lady at Haldirams and she tried to scan 10 times and the cashier had to reset the scan screen multiple times. UPI is great when the user is poor or uneducated and doesn't have a credit card or when the establishment doesn't accept them. Why are educated people with credit cards so enamoured of it? Isn't it better to just tap your credit card and get 1 to 3% cashback or points and skip the hassle?
 
Guess what, South Korea is asking NPCI to help implement UPI in their nation. 😂
Edit1: Japan too,
Edit2: it's more like 30 nations and EU.
50 countries k sath baat chal raha hai.

Nepal already deploy UPI Nepal. Gateway payment Nepal got license from NIPL (NPCI International) to deploy UPI in Nepal.


Here all details about UPI Nepal - https://gatewaypayment.com.np/upinepal

UPI Nepal new logo -

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All details about "UPI NEPAL" | NEPAL Banks Partnership etc, i already explain here -

 
so we can conclude from all 13 pages discussion and recent future updates about UPI NFC, offline and apple pay support (news update credit: @Abhishek012 )

UPI ko le aur Tap and Pay
Apple pay nahi bhai.

BHIM app on IOS support UPI NFC (Tap & Pay)

Paytm app (Live with Limited users)

other app will soon support UPI Tap & Pay in future.

Follow this page to get all future live UPI Tap & Pay apps name -
https://www.npci.org.in/what-we-do/upi-lite/upi-tap-and-pay/product-overview
 
Off topic query:
Is anyone facing issue with BHIM app recently?
Suddenly all my accounts in BHIM are shown as pin not set.
Issue persists even after:
1. deleting and installing the app.
2. Deleting and adding accounts again.
3. Re-setting UPI pin and it gets back to unset error after few days.
The issue is on bhim app only and I can use other Upi apps normally.
 

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also some poor UPI user use upi to save their card details exposed or Card cloning in like big rich people places BURGER KING 🍔 :)

UPI is much safer than physical card(no fear of card clonning, card details exposure ) also no need to cary cards in wallet.
Nope I disagree here, there are few people who are skilled to do card cloning but if you are careless it takes few seconds to clean your upi linked bank. Just compare how many cases of UPI related frauds and card cloning frauds you see everyday you will get your answer.

Yes UPI is super convenient but you have to be careful.
 
There is no obsession. Firstly, many small vendors do not have POS machines with NFC (tap to pay). Many do not have POS machines at all, only big vendors do, as you observed too. Now people may want to use a single universal payment method - for big or small vendors. Let's say you go to a small shop, then visit a mall, then some fancy restaurant, then again some small shop. You have to think which payment method to use as you can't use Visa/Mastercard cards at small shops. BharatQR which was developed by Visa and Mastercard in collaboration with NPCI to pay via credit cards is a failure. BharatQR was hardly adopted and small shops don't have POS machines with NFC readers. Heck even those merchants who have POS machines are unaware of NFC, they are trying to swipe the card or insert it in the POS machine instead of tap to pay.

From merchants' point of view, a QR code is free and hardly any cost. Plus there's MDR to be concerned about. You can't buy dhania from a street vendor with Amex or milk from a small shop with Amex, can you, but they are starting to have QR codes. Many people prefer convenience and not having to think over all else.

Another possible reason: most people don't have credit cards and they have these myth that credit cards are bad. They just don't like them. Many people aren't aware credit and debit Visa/Mastercard cards can be tokenized in Google Pay, CRED, Paytm, Samsung Pay so carrying the actual card isn't necessary. You can tap to pay with just your phone, even the app doesn't need to be open, the default tap-to-pay app automatically opens and pays but they don't know that.

OK those who have credit cards, yet another reason: a huge number of Chinese budget phones (but not Korean Samsung) omit NFC entirely in Indian market for some insane reason (but have NFC in their models sold in China) so then carrying the right physical card for the right merchant becomes important.

Another potential reason: do you know many merchants don't want to spend the effort to enter the amount on the POS machine? They will prepare or print a paper bill and tell the amount to pay and they are happy and trust the customer enough to let them enter the amount to pay, and simply hear the audio notification that it was paid. It saves them effort for hundreds of thousands of customers in a day to avoid entering amount to bill, plus the Paytm soundbox or equivalent makes their job easier. UPI has made lives easier for merchants too.

Now, personally I love credit cards and can see how rewarding they can be. I have tokenized my CCs in GPay, CRED, Paytm (got a phone with NFC specifically for that) and prefer tap to pay if NFC/contactless POS machine available, otherwise RuPay CC via UPI (NeuCard Infinity), otherwise if BharatQR available (Bharat QR is different from UPI QR and very rare to find), can even scan BharatQR and pay via Visa/Mastercard credit cards which is what I do at my everyday snacks, grocery and fresh food shop which happens to have BharatQR (but not a POS machine!). It is such a busy crowded shop that they have no time to enter the amount to bill for the customer, they want customer to enter it via QR code scan & pay and then they are content with hearing the audio confirmation (lately they got an Amitabh Bachchan voice thanks to PhonePe) and move on to next customer.

Now UPI can be linked to RuPay credit cards and BharatQR allows payment via Visa/Mastercards too. I think people don't prefer UPI as such, they prefer scan QR to enter amount and pay and both the merchant and customer hear amount paid vs merchant entering amount to be billed, and then customer tapping the phone or card. The recent explosion in banks giving away RuPay credit cards which can be linked to UPI may be because banks realized the way in which customers prefer to pay, regardless of whether it is backed by a bank account or a credit facility and that is - Scan QR which works universally vs tap to pay which only works in merchant stores which can afford and have the desire to operate POS machines.
 
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Banks are more intelligent than most of us. They understand the market, they understand the emotion of people and for that they introduced UPI linked with Rupay Credit Card.

Rath dekhna, kela bechna eksath 🎃.

If bank gives you Rupay credit card, add and convert them to UPI. 🫡
I have a few Rupay cards and 2 are connected with UPI. However, I rarely use them in this manner as I find no benefit in it. In any case, most merchants have now disabled payments via CC on UPI. I used it a couple of times to test it and once when there was cashback at Vijay Sales. Otherwise, it is way too much hassle. First dealing with another UPI app then scanning and so on.
 
The problem is using the UPI method vs tapping a card.
Few days back I had to tap my flipkart axis card 3 times as it kept getting failed at McDonald’s.
It made me so anxious that I thought I had probably turned off tap and pay setting in app. Turns out it wasn’t. Just problem with the merchant.

I was also anxious about pissing someone off behind me (airport mcd so time is important) that I feared for my life.
Now I will only rely on cash as it’s the best without failure.

I am happy that I returned safe and sound home after that experience. Also happy that no one made a thread on a popular cc forum marking me for holding up a line.
 
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