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Axis Bank May Issue Legal Notices for Unsettled Negative Reward Points Balances

Another simple way to look at it is, do you really want to bank with a bank who let fraudsters who stole 10s crores (maybe 100s) of worth of points get away without fighting? Also they most probably need to just go after 20% of the people who'd have gained 80% of these points.

I want a bank that takes strict legal action all the way possible against fraudsters. Axis has a very strong legal case based on laws and will most probably very easily win given. They aren't breaking any law by going after fraudsters and it's perfectly legal as explained in my previous comments. Intention to fraud can easily be proven for fraudsters which would be significant recovery. Worst case even if they lose (unlikely), it will send a message to fraudsters about not messing with Axis cause they will go all the way to recover. So loopholes would be exploited less in the future and their offerings will stay for longer.

If Axis does go after this legally, I will switch my banking to them. A bank who takes frauds seriously.

Also, talking abut other issues doesn't negate this fact. Yes there are issues but they slowly are fixing them. Esp on credit card complaints they are much better than HDFC/ICICI. Two wrongs don't make a right.
I have become a fan of your thought process. Sir. :beaming-face-with-smiling-eyes:

"You want to hire a security guard who easily let thieves inside their owners house. Now after 1 year that security guard is showing-off his effort to chase the thieves with a non-legal notice."

Amazing!!!
 
I have become a fan of your thought process. Sir. :beaming-face-with-smiling-eyes:

"You want to hire a security guard who easily let thieves inside their owners house. Now after 1 year that security guard is showing-off his effort to chase the thieves with a non-legal notice."

Amazing!!!

And I'm a fan of yours. I hope I get to meet you someday and visit your house too. Hope you use the same logic there.

The house was open or you invited the thief so it was to have things stolen. The law should punish the owner and not thief. Thief stole and went away, why chase them.

"Murderer to gala karega, tum kyun apna gala leke bahar nikle"

Ekdum Indian Police mentality.
 
And I'm a fan of yours. I hope I get to meet you someday and visit your house too. Hope you use the same logic there.

The house was open or you invited the thief so it was to have things stolen. The law should punish the owner and not thief. Thief stole and went away, why chase them.

"Murderer to gala karega, tum kyun apna gala leke bahar nikle"

Ekdum Indian Police mentality.
I didn't leave my house open. My security guard did. There is a difference.

Lastly, I never supported the thieves. Quote me if I did.
 
And I'm a fan of yours. I hope I get to meet you someday and visit your house too. Hope you use the same logic there.

The house was open or you invited the thief so it was to have things stolen. The law should punish the owner and not thief. Thief stole and went away, why chase them.

"Murderer to gala karega, tum kyun apna gala leke bahar nikle"

Ekdum Indian Police mentality.
You can be irresponsible with your own belongings not others. Those who have defaruded Axis shall pay the price but Axis shouldn't be left off the hook.
 
Recently, Axis Bank sent email notifications to many customers who had misused their credit card reward system back in 2023. The glitch (or loophole, whichever you want to call it) was fixed in January 2024. In response, Axis debited edged points from customers who had taken advantage of this loophole between April 2023 and January 2024.

The Loophole:

Back in 2023, there were a few major glitches in Axis Bank's reward system that affected all of their credit cards. Some customers—particularly those holding Axis Magnus, Axis Atlas, Axis Reserve, and other premium credit cards with high reward transfer ratios—exploited these glitches to earn Edge Reward Points in lakhs and crores.

Here's how they did it:
  1. They would order high-value items from e-commerce websites like Amazon, Flipkart, Ajio, Myntra, etc.
  2. They would wait for Axis Bank to credit the reward points to their accounts.
  3. After receiving the reward points, they would cancel the order and get a full refund.
  4. Axis would refund the amount to their credit cards but failed to deduct the reward points from their accounts.
This loophole continued until January 2024. Finally, in February 2025, Axis Bank recovered the misused reward points by debiting the balance from affected customers.

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Additionally, the bank threatened legal action if customers did not settle their negative Edge Points balance by paying money at the rate of 1 Edge Point = ₹0.40
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All photos used here are for reference and have been taken from the Twitter (X) account of Mr. Akash

Now, the problem is that Axis Bank has mentioned in their MITC (Point 9.G.) that each Edge Reward Point is valued at 20 paise. They have also stated that "this conversion value may vary for different card variants," but they have not clearly mentioned the value for each card variant. Moreover, they have not specified that they would reactivate closed cards and post charges for a negative reward points balance.

Many customers had closed their cards back in 2023 or early 2024, when the MITC did not mention such terms. Now, several of them have received email notifications stating that their reward points have been debited from their closed card accounts, and if they do not pay in cash, legal action will be taken. But how can a bank apply new rules retroactively and charge customers?

There are many people who exploited this loophole to earn rewards and are now sitting on negative balances of lakhs and crores of Edge Points, valued approximately between ₹2 lakh to ₹20 lakh at a rate of 1 Edge Point = ₹0.40.

I have a few questions for Axis Bank:​

  1. Why didn’t you reverse reward points immediately after the transaction was reversed?
  2. Why did you allow customers to close their Axis credit cards with a negative reward points balance in the first place?
  3. Why are you applying new rules retroactively? People closed their credit cards back in 2023 or early 2024 when no such rules existed under MITC Point 9.G.

And a final question to the RBI:​

Why are you not taking any action against Axis Bank when they are clearly violating customer rights? Axis Bank’s credit card reward system is full of technical glitches, yet there is no regulatory intervention.

Many will bring up the moral argument and question why customers misused the reward system in the first place. But I ask: Why didn’t Axis Bank have proper controls in place? Why couldn't they reverse reward points immediately after a transaction was reversed? This is a basic functionality—if a bank cannot manage this, does it even deserve to operate in India?

Strangely, the RBI remains silent while such an incompetent IT infrastructure exists within a major bank.

Possible solution:
As I always aim to post solution-oriented threads, I’d like to suggest a possible solution for this issue:

If you have received a notification asking you to pay cash for a negative reward points balance, email Axis Bank with the following points:


Subject: Dispute Regarding Negative Reward Points Charge

Dear Axis Bank,

When I closed my card, there was no clause stating that "In case a Cardholder has a negative Rewards Point Balance at the time of closure, the equivalent value of such negative reward points will be converted to a statement debit and must be paid by the Cardholder along with any other dues."

This clause has now been introduced in your updated MITC (Point 9.G.), but it did not exist at the time of my card closure.

As per our past agreement (when I closed my card), you cannot charge me for the negative Edge Reward Points balance. If you reactivate my closed card—for which I already have an NOC from you—I will escalate this issue to the RBI and will not hesitate to take the matter to consumer court.

I have attached both the new & old Axis Bank Credit Card MITC for your reference.

Thanks,
Customer Name

This is the first step—wait for Axis Bank's response. If they do not resolve your issue, escalate it to the RBI. If the RBI fails to help, do not hesitate to take the matter to consumer court.

If Axis Bank has already debited the amount, it’s best to pay it first and then fight the case, as non-payment will harm your CIBIL score.

One thing I’d like to clarify: Many people, after reading this, might think I’m trying to justify customers who misused the system. But that’s not the truth. I’m simply questioning the incompetent IT infrastructure of Axis Bank, which can’t even handle a simple refund and reward points reversal task. Also, why did they take two years to fix the issue? Isn’t Axis Bank also responsible for this?

Many genuine users also ordered items, returned them, and received refunds, and they too have been affected by this circus… Yes, the amounts are lower for them. As I mentioned earlier, I’m not justifying the actions of users who exploited the system to gain reward points unfairly. However, you also have to understand that debiting reward points for reversed transactions is a basic feature, and all banks in India deduct reward points for such transactions instantly. How could a bank not detect such a glitch for over two years and then suddenly ask customers to pay for those reward points?

Now, let’s talk about the reward points value. When customers signed the MITC and applied for a credit card back in 2023, there was no specific value mentioned for each reward point. Axis Bank only introduced the reward point value in 2024, yet even customers who had closed their cards in 2023 received notices. Does applying the new MITC to customers who closed their cards before these terms existed justify Axis Bank’s actions?

Furthermore, Axis Bank itself mentioned that each reward point is valued at 20 paise. Now, they are demanding 40 paise per reward point. Do you still think Axis Bank is acting fairly in this situation?

And now, addressing the moral aspect—does Axis Bank follow the same ethical standards? Have you heard about Axis Bank's "consolidated charges"? The harsh reality is, there is no morality in business—only the agreements we sign.

Some time ago, SBI Card also charged customers for reward points earned from shopping during ongoing discount sales. However, those who filed complaints with the RBI Banking Ombudsman (BO) successfully got the charges reversed by SBI Card.

I have attached both the new & old Axis Bank Credit Card MITC (Before 17th Dec, 2023) for your reference—you may need it.
Mujhe Vodafone Retrospective Tax Case ki yaad aa gaya. 🤣🤣
 
As said before, I find both Axis (their old guards) and Exploiters (old customers) are wrong in this case. Both should pay reasonable price. Both should be penalized.

1. Exploiting old customers should pay back as per avg value of reward points applicable at that time. They should get a time window (e.g., 3 months).

2. Axis should find their internal culprit (higher level officials, related technical team, etc. who let this happen... charge them too).

No point making argument who is 99% and who is 1% fault. Both are at fault. Money recovery should be done from both. No t&c apply when it comes under fraudulent activities.
 
Another simple way to look at it is, do you really want to bank with a bank who let fraudsters who stole 10s crores (maybe 100s) of worth of points get away without fighting? Also they most probably need to just go after 20% of the people who'd have gained 80% of these points.

I want a bank that takes strict legal action all the way possible against fraudsters. Axis has a very strong legal case based on laws and will most probably very easily win given. They aren't breaking any law by going after fraudsters and it's perfectly legal as explained in my previous comments. Intention to fraud can easily be proven for fraudsters which would be significant recovery. Worst case even if they lose (unlikely), it will send a message to fraudsters about not messing with Axis cause they will go all the way to recover. So loopholes would be exploited less in the future and their offerings will stay for longer.

If Axis does go after this legally, I will switch my banking to them. A bank who takes frauds seriously.

Also, talking abut other issues doesn't negate this fact. Yes there are issues but they slowly are fixing them. Esp on credit card complaints they are much better than HDFC/ICICI. Two wrongs don't make a right.
Well, in the first place itself I would not want to hand my money to a bank that has been caught napping for over a year. There is no point further looking at whether they go down giving this a fight or not. I would not want a bank that allows such loopholes to be so heavily exploited and is incapable of having the simplest of checks in place.

If a genuine customer has been offered a no dues certificate, I doubt Axis stands any claim for the same. Of course, one has to prove that he or her did not have any intentions of fraud. I won't trust Axis to ensure that not even a single genuine customer is thrown under the bus, especially after the number of times they've been caught red handed following shady practices. Using a new MITC for making recovery claims on old accounts is not something I would like my bank to be doing. If you allow the bank to walk away with this, it sets a dangerous precedent for the future. And lets not forget, this is not some certified saint we're talking about.

Regarding other issues, needless to say, people who think "arey itna toh mil raha hai na, seh lo thora aur kuch na complain karo" can continue to be happy about paying fees for services they will no longer receive. They can conveniently choose to forget about the elephant in the room. I don't blame them, this is the outcome of social conditioning that is prevalent in our part of the world. We have been under 200 years of imperialism for a reason. The truth is that banks are here for business, and they will devalue your card in case they had those intentions right from the start. It is a well planned scheme where such banks charge you an annual fees and subsequently devalue your card after sometime.
 
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bank use depositor money to conduct business... so technically depositors money had been stolen here by some fraudster and ran away after closing the account. axis bank is bound to recover the stolen money in form of edge points or equivalent cash... and at the end of the day is answerable to the depositors and shareholders of the bank... they just cant Let go the culprits and forget
And obviously RBI must surely penalized Axis bank and take adequate step to the concern staffs for the whole mess.
 
The arugment that genuine users were affected holds no water. From Mint's reporting, Axis bank only sent the emails to 72 customers, likely only the ones leeching the system. This is nothing but fraud from these users.
 

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This reminds me of the Australian guy who exploited an atm glitch for some 1.6 million dollars or something and had to go to jail after he felt guilty about it and admitted his crime to the authorities. At least that guy had some conscience.

Here's a tip for all of you defending those who exploited the glitch: If someday, you find that your bank account has a credit of money by mistake, DON'T SPEND it thinking that the glitch is bank's fault and therefore its your money now. REPORT IT to the bank and give it back, even if the bank isn't immediately aware of it.

If you wanna game the system, game it the right way like people did in the glorious magnus era. Not in this fraudulent way where you steal points by placing and cancelling orders. This kind of behaviour is the exact reason why our society is a such a low trust one. It benefits you and a handful in the short term but it harms everyone in the long run. Like how it's impossible to return electronics/high value items on e-commerce sites now because so many people exploited the return policy by committing frauds.
 
The arugment that genuine users were affected holds no water. From Mint's reporting, Axis bank only sent the emails to 72 customers, likely only the ones leeching the system. This is nothing but fraud from these users.
Pretty sure those 72 customers are the ones who defrauded points worth over lakhs of rupees. They are nothing but fraudsters and should 100% be dragged to the courts.

Axis is a bank which truly doesn't deserve any appreciation for the kind of stuff they do, but way too many people here are supporting those fraudsters in the name of bashing axis. Axis is 100% right in sending them these emails and should definitely take this matter up in courts.
 
The arugment that genuine users were affected holds no water. From Mint's reporting, Axis bank only sent the emails to 72 customers, likely only the ones leeching the system. This is nothing but fraud from these users.

This reminds me of the Australian guy who exploited an atm glitch for some 1.6 million dollars or something and had to go to jail after he felt guilty about it and admitted his crime to the authorities. At least that guy had some conscience.

Here's a tip for all of you defending those who exploited the glitch: If someday, you find that your bank account has a credit of money by mistake, DON'T SPEND it thinking that the glitch is bank's fault and therefore its your money now. REPORT IT to the bank and give it back, even if the bank isn't immediately aware of it.

If you wanna game the system, game it the right way like people did in the glorious magnus era. Not in this fraudulent way where you steal points by placing and cancelling orders. This kind of behaviour is the exact reason why our society is a such a low trust one. It benefits you and a handful in the short term but it harms everyone in the long run. Like how it's impossible to return electronics/high value items on e-commerce sites now because so many people exploited the return policy by committing frauds.
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This reminds me of the Australian guy who exploited an atm glitch for some 1.6 million dollars or something and had to go to jail after he felt guilty about it and admitted his crime to the authorities. At least that guy had some conscience.

Here's a tip for all of you defending those who exploited the glitch: If someday, you find that your bank account has a credit of money by mistake, DON'T SPEND it thinking that the glitch is bank's fault and therefore its your money now. REPORT IT to the bank and give it back, even if the bank isn't immediately aware of it.

If you wanna game the system, game it the right way like people did in the glorious magnus era. Not in this fraudulent way where you steal points by placing and cancelling orders. This kind of behaviour is the exact reason why our society is a such a low trust one. It benefits you and a handful in the short term but it harms everyone in the long run. Like how it's impossible to return electronics/high value items on e-commerce sites now because so many people exploited the return policy by committing frauds.

Nobody is defending the people who exploited the glitch. I wonder how hard it is to understand a few sentences in simple English.
 
Why all this ho halla...

Isn't this just all karma for Axis that they have so diligently accumulated. (Hate I have to write karma instead of karm due to the new common way of writing it)

The perpetrators of that karma I am least bothered about, their karma will be redeemed too
 
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