its_karan
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Ek aur lelo fir: Cancelled Cheque pe sign karne ki zarurat nahi hoti
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Cheque Fraud: Rs 180 -> Rs 75,000 cashed out. Original text was overwritten. Please read the details and help.
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varun__goel_
TF Legend
BTW who ever is reading and interested
I heard once from SBI BM that they have some kind of facility where cheque will only be cleared after a confirmation call with customer care. It has to be enabled by branch. Don't know if there's any min amount of cheque which is eligible for this. But if interested, you can go ahead.
And try with other banks too
I heard once from SBI BM that they have some kind of facility where cheque will only be cleared after a confirmation call with customer care. It has to be enabled by branch. Don't know if there's any min amount of cheque which is eligible for this. But if interested, you can go ahead.
And try with other banks too
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Matlab corner mei a/c payee only, ya fir diagonally two lines nahi hai.
Agar wo hota toh usko kehta hai crossed cheque, matlab jis bande ka nam likha hai us account mei payment hoga. Counter mei cash withdraw nahi kar payega.
Agar top corner mei kuch nahi likha hai matlab koi bhi counter jakar cash le sakte hai. This is also called bearer cheque. In hindi it's called "dharak" which is written on the right side of cheque in devanagari script.
Bearer matlab jiske paas cheque usko paise milenge.
Crossed cheque se sirf wohi account me trf hoga jiske favor me hai.
Some tips for writing a cheque safely:
1. Always cross a cheque with words "a/c payee only". Never give anyone you don't trust a bearer cheque. Cut out "or bearer/ya dharak ko" at the end of name row.
2. To make it even more secure, write payee name as "name surname - abc bank". In this way cheque can only be cleared with that name of account at that bank only. Suppose I am giving a cheque to Mr. Periscope, I'll ask him which bank he intends to clear it and account number. If he doesn't have account number handy, then I'll write "Periscope surname - abc bank limited". This cheque now can ONLY be cleared to account of periscope of ONLY abc bank and no other bank of periscope.
3. If Mr periscope remembers account number then I'll write the cheque as "periscope surname - abc bank account no. 1234567890". This is the most secure way of cheque payment.
Point to be noted that no bank clears cheque which has a date earlier than account opening date. So if Mr. Periscope lies to me about abc bank and then goes to abc bank to open an account for clearing cheque, then it won't happen.
MOST IMPORTANT - Write with your own pen. Never borrow pen or allow others to write it.
If possible use cheque writing software and print cheques.
1. Always cross a cheque with words "a/c payee only". Never give anyone you don't trust a bearer cheque. Cut out "or bearer/ya dharak ko" at the end of name row.
2. To make it even more secure, write payee name as "name surname - abc bank". In this way cheque can only be cleared with that name of account at that bank only. Suppose I am giving a cheque to Mr. Periscope, I'll ask him which bank he intends to clear it and account number. If he doesn't have account number handy, then I'll write "Periscope surname - abc bank limited". This cheque now can ONLY be cleared to account of periscope of ONLY abc bank and no other bank of periscope.
3. If Mr periscope remembers account number then I'll write the cheque as "periscope surname - abc bank account no. 1234567890". This is the most secure way of cheque payment.
Point to be noted that no bank clears cheque which has a date earlier than account opening date. So if Mr. Periscope lies to me about abc bank and then goes to abc bank to open an account for clearing cheque, then it won't happen.
MOST IMPORTANT - Write with your own pen. Never borrow pen or allow others to write it.
If possible use cheque writing software and print cheques.
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RAMESH BABU N
TF Ace
The a/c holder, in his own handwriting, must write a detailed complaint to the Police n get it acknowledged on each paper.
With that acknowledged police complaint, let him write, in his own handwriting, lodge another detailed complaint with the bank branch. Obtain the BM's acknowledgement with date, time n stamp.
Save the SMS recieved from the Bank intimating the debit. Take printout.
Approach a reputed advocate n send a Lawyer's Notice to the branch/their controllers - Regional Manager, Area Manager - specifically asking for outside verification thru handwriting experts.
This step will force the branch/ RegionalManager/ AreaManager/ ZonalManager to lodge police complaint from the Bank's side - which will have a higher weightage n help the account holder get his money back.
He can also approach local consumer court - their efficacy depends on town-to-town n is not uniform. But, such consumer courts can force the bank/police to act relatively fast.
As the OP says that the fraudster had all details of Met Life policy, who knows their own employee might have colluded with that fraudster? Involve Met Life too.
With that acknowledged police complaint, let him write, in his own handwriting, lodge another detailed complaint with the bank branch. Obtain the BM's acknowledgement with date, time n stamp.
Save the SMS recieved from the Bank intimating the debit. Take printout.
Approach a reputed advocate n send a Lawyer's Notice to the branch/their controllers - Regional Manager, Area Manager - specifically asking for outside verification thru handwriting experts.
This step will force the branch/ RegionalManager/ AreaManager/ ZonalManager to lodge police complaint from the Bank's side - which will have a higher weightage n help the account holder get his money back.
He can also approach local consumer court - their efficacy depends on town-to-town n is not uniform. But, such consumer courts can force the bank/police to act relatively fast.
As the OP says that the fraudster had all details of Met Life policy, who knows their own employee might have colluded with that fraudster? Involve Met Life too.
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RAMESH BABU N
TF Ace
No use complaining to 1930 (national cyber crime portal) as it is not a cyber crime.
But, lodging a detailed complaint on their website - and using those printouts - will always put a lot of pressure on the police and the bank staff - not to delay things n nab that fraudster.
But, lodging a detailed complaint on their website - and using those printouts - will always put a lot of pressure on the police and the bank staff - not to delay things n nab that fraudster.
sidp
TF Ace
No need of legal proceeding. Rbi will handle this. Even in photo it is clearly visible. Wonder how it will look in real life, plus they are supposed to check under hard incandescent light or uv light. The washed out letters would look like bold letter.
@Batman they must move fast & demand the cheque not to be scapped. Either with the help of police or pno.
ritwik2000
TF Ace
@telescope @plastikman thanks for explaining it.
#aniket
TF Ace
I think bank only take confirmation through phone call for the clearance of high value cheque only, especially when there's no Positive Pay request from account holder side.
@varun__goel_ What sorts of facilities you're talking about? Kindly explain it more.
Ex banker of SBI, @RAMESH BABU N, such facility (Varun bro is referring) is available in SBI and is it applicable to each and every cheque? Process to get it enabled?
#aniket
TF Ace
@ritwik2000 Bearer cheque matalab wo nahi hota ki if A/c payee na ho toh wo bearer rahegaa...bearer bhi apna account mein trf kara sakta hai us case mein, just 2 diagonally parallel lines se
Simply, payee blank ho ya payee ka name bhi hai aur sath mein or bearer ya last endorsement blank ho...usko kehte hain
Few examples: yaha bearer ko kaat de toh firh payee mein jiksa name likha rahega bas wahi encash kara sakta hai...
Ya order cheque iss tarah, or order likha rahega, ye cheque jiska name rahega wo encash kara sakta hai, ya uske order anusar:
Haha ye pata tha, actually I just signed my first cheque a few days ago, so these things are somewhat confusing to me
dealminer
TF Premier
Ghar se likh ke leke gya thaApne pen se kia tha na??
Ya magic pen?
#aniket
TF Ace
If you're still doubious, give instruction to the bank to reject/ stop payment for that particular cancelled cheque if somehow presented fraudulently.
dealminer
TF Premier
Aniket Bhai following you right now, just for all the hard work you do here which is not admired by the people here in the forum.
@ritwik2000 Bearer cheque matalab wo nahi hota ki if A/c payee na ho toh wo bearer rahegaa...bearer bhi apna account mein trf kara sakta hai us case mein, just 2 diagonally parallel lines se
Simply, payee blank ho ya payee ka name bhi hai aur sath mein or bearer ya last endorsement blank ho...usko kehte hain
Few examples: yaha bearer ko kaat de toh firh payee mein jiksa name likha rahega bas wahi encash kara sakta hai...
Ya order cheque iss tarah, or order likha rahega, ye cheque jiska name rahega wo encash kara sakta hai, ya uske order anusar:
Noob log apko dannt kr chup krwa dete accha nhi lgta.
VISHESH_BANSAL
TF Pioneer
Endorsement kya hota hai ? Bearer cheque se kya lena dena ?🤔 Next Question of Ritwik
@ritwik2000 Bearer cheque matalab wo nahi hota ki if A/c payee na ho toh wo bearer rahegaa...bearer bhi apna account mein trf kara sakta hai us case mein, just 2 diagonally parallel lines se
Simply, payee blank ho ya payee ka name bhi hai aur sath mein or bearer ya last endorsement blank ho...usko kehte hain
Few examples: yaha bearer ko kaat de toh firh payee mein jiksa name likha rahega bas wahi encash kara sakta hai...
Ya order cheque iss tarah, or order likha rahega, ye cheque jiska name rahega wo encash kara sakta hai, ya uske order anusar:
I wanted to quote the comments here and reply to them, but there are too many. I am tagging all the people who asked questions or gave advice. Please read the below update and share your views.
In my next comment, I will comment on advice from Ramesh Babu sir.
- Neighbor filled the cheque himself. It was a CROSS cheque. Cross was erased. @varun__goel_ @telescope
- Neighbor had also signed on back of cheque and written policy number etc. All of that was erased, only signature remained visible.
- MetLife employee details - Neighbor did not verify employee ID. Even if he did, it wouldn't have been difficult to have a fake ID. @Vasuki
- Neighbor doesn't remember the pen he used. It could have been scammer's pen.
- Written complaint done to bank, received their reply as well. I'm attaching it below. @sidp
- CCTV footage available of the scammer. What to do with it? @Vishal4u2
- The cheque was indeed encashed without taking ID of scammer. How do I proceed here? @newinnov
- I have asked neighbor to tell the bank that cheque must not be destroyed or taken away. Any simple way to do it online? @sidp
- Bank didn't ID or KYC the scammer, even though cheque was > Rs 50,000. I found this article that states this guideline. Could someone please help me find RBI guideline for the same? @newinnov @varun__goel_ @#aniket
- Cheque appears overwritten, but how do I enforce that to the bank? Can RBI do that? @its_karan @VISHESH_BANSAL @ritwik2000
- Please read the doc carefully. Half of it is in Hindi. The bank claims no responsibility. Bank says that the cheque did not appear forged or overwritten.
- It seems like bank hasn't mentioned the clause for ID verification for cheque > Rs 50,000.
- Is there a way to file FIR for this online? I have taken the proof from neighbor, can file it on his behalf. Please share what you know. @dealminer
- The charges stated (thanks to @Tejo ) are File 420: cheating and 467: forgery. Is there anything else that applies?
- Legal route can be taken, but I'm thinking of doing that after RBI complaint. Or would people here recommend getting in touch with Lawyer ASAP? If yes, please suggest a lawyer also. @newinnov @shivamk
- Do we know of any banking instrument that provides insurance for such matters. I know neighbor doesn't have a Credit card.
In my next comment, I will comment on advice from Ramesh Babu sir.
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In this comment, I am addressing suggestions from sir @RAMESH BABU N . TF people, please feel free to comment. I need all the help I can get to help this neighbor.
1. Complaint to police done in own handwriting. Police did not give a confirmation in document, but SMS confirmation with complaint ID was received. This is on 23 April.
2. Complaint with branch is done. Written reply attached.
3. NO SMS was received when debit was done, claimed by Neighbor. How can this be verified?
4. Please suggest Sir on how to proceed with this. Neither I nor the neighbor has filed lawsuits. Also, what could be the estimated costs?
5. Once again, how to proceed with this? I do have a friend in local sessions court. Should we contact local Ward parshad (he is helpful). I also have friends in local Municipality office.
6. How to proceed with complaint to Met Life? Should it be done from my end or enforced by Police/Court?
1. Complaint to police done in own handwriting. Police did not give a confirmation in document, but SMS confirmation with complaint ID was received. This is on 23 April.
2. Complaint with branch is done. Written reply attached.
3. NO SMS was received when debit was done, claimed by Neighbor. How can this be verified?
4. Please suggest Sir on how to proceed with this. Neither I nor the neighbor has filed lawsuits. Also, what could be the estimated costs?
5. Once again, how to proceed with this? I do have a friend in local sessions court. Should we contact local Ward parshad (he is helpful). I also have friends in local Municipality office.
6. How to proceed with complaint to Met Life? Should it be done from my end or enforced by Police/Court?
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